I not sure where I got it but I undoubtedly purchased it at a local sporting goods or general store such as Gibsons Discount in the late 60s or early 70s. Thanks for filling in the blanks. It is kind of interesting that the concepts the BuOrd used to formulate the design they wanted for the Mark 1 came from two knives, Pal actually made the Mark 1 closest to the drawing. Both have black plastic pommel. Due to the change in ownership of the brand, and the fact that we have some information on what the changes happened, we can use the tang stamps to know when the knife was made. 1200 dozen made in In the early 2000s, the U.S. Army published requirements to private industry for an aviation survival knife to replace the aging Air Force Survival Knife. It is knives like these that make some people on the outside question why Case knives are so expensive when they are just a great value for their money. Glen, can be found quite regularly at just about any gun or knife show. Hand marked on the This is the factory reference Many people think this was when Adolph founded the Camillus knife company, but that is not so. I believe the two holes in the blade guard was to dummy cord the knife. Never knew that opinions could be this varied. Co., Olean N.Y.Straight lineNilFrom 1909Union Cut. Today, its time to date the Cattaraugus knife to a specific era and see what beauty you have, Read More How to Date a Cattaraugus Knife (5 Methods Explained)Continue, I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. Most folks don't know USMC Raider reproduction with fine pewter handle. The Camillus Cutlery company also produced: Their production capacity was expanded during the second world war when they had to manufacture a lot of high-quality knives to meet the needs of the soldiers shipping off to war. He started importing and selling German-made knives to his U.S. audience. You would often find knife collectors and enthusiasts who know a lot about these blades at knife shows. 1 2 3 Items 1 - 12 of 27 Show per page Sort By Camillus Bombat 6" Pocket Knife #19484 $17.99 I'm just not in possession of good references to documentation that would support my opinion yet. Over the decades, this document has been updated. Camillus was so successful a knife brand that other knifemakers contracted them to manufacture their blades. I, too, have one that has a small Japan stamped on the blade at the hilt. Camillus was on contract to make Buck knives from 1968 after Schrade stopped making them. I have a Valor #998 Japan Jet Pilot Knife utilized in Vietnam given to my uncle, who gave it to me. The knife went through a couple of different vendors over its life cycle. I agree. quick. In the early 70s, our para riggers would sew a pouch on the inside leg of our flight suits into which the knife and scabbard were placed. The Camillus factory drawing for the fullered blade knife identifies it as "Our # 5679 L 36 Hunting Knife with Mosser sheath." Price $15,000.00, #5665 L66: This is the prototype for the WW II Army Air You pull the knife out but drop it. One Side of the blade should have the Camillus Knife brand and the identification should have the blade number. Here are some ways to identify a fake Camillus knife: If youre in the market for a vintage Camillus knife, make sure you know how to tell the real deal apart from the repros. I may also be able to confirm if the knife was a gift from my uncle who worked on helicopter camera equipment in the Vietnam war. Knives made by top companies were featured in catalogs that were either internally maintained or sent out to dealers and collectors. Both have dark what I believe is blued blades. A few members here have posted examples of that knife with the typical Camillus Mark 1 hilt and the fullered blade normally associated with the 5 inch pilots knife, but yes they don't show up too often. Camillus Proptotype with 5 inches blade which was not accepted. 1937. Thanks for sharing. Folding Knives from Camillus Cutlery Folding Knives Handle Color Black Select from a variety of quality Camillus and Western folding knife styles and folding knives that include liner locks, lock backs and frame locks. Furthermore, standardization of equipment reduces costs upon the logistical system. Here is an example what I'm talking about, this is the grouping of Mark 1 knives with the designation of MARK 1 on the ricasso and treated blades. J63: Army Parachutist Knife. The earliest Camillus factory experimental 6 inch Jet Pilot I hope this is the right place to make this post.sorry if not. Relevant!! My mother believes my father only used it as a scout leader in the late 60s to early 70s and it has been in a drawer ever since. So Ive read that one way to tell a WW2 Kabar is the pommel will be pinned from both sides as well as peened. rivets. The handle should fold out to cover the entire blade edge. Did you recently find a Camillus knife, and youd like to know what era it came from? The 1954 update calls for the knife to have a sharpened clip point blade and an additional rivet to the sheath. Follow these steps to date the Ka-bar knife this way: Look around the knife for markings on the body. More formal details weren't adopted until the close of 1943, this leaves at least 6 months of production and ordering of materials from contractors. Finally Ive found something which helped me. It has a decent leather scabbard with no hole in the tip and leather cords intact, as well as the stone with similar markings as others Ive seen. Thanks for the feedback. WW2 CAMILLUS *Air Force* Folding Machete Survival Knife w/Guard $79.00 20 bids $12.50 shipping Ended USMC US M3 Case 1943 Fixed Blade Fighting Knife Stacked Leather Handle & Sheath $314.00 14 bids $15.49 shipping 3d 5h U.S. M-1 GARAND / HANDLE SCALES and PARTS ( See Discription ) $17.50 2 bids $13.17 shipping Ended Here you will find information and tips on outdoor activities, wilderness safety and survival, equipment, first aid, health, and other related items of interest to hikers, backpackers, and other outdoor enthusiasts. FYI, in case your interested, the Government specification sheath for this knife is still available. Thus, it took special care and attention to identify which company made which one, before going deeper to ascertain the date period around when the knife was made. They were also overridden by poor management decisions, culminating in a six-month workers strike in 2007. You need to get the knife out to cut your way out. However, it was still adequate for survival situations and therefore remained in the Federal Supply System. storage. Okay, maybe not fakes. When speaking with them, make sure youre clear that youre not looking to sell. Dealers and retailers of the knife usually let older catalogs rot, lost them, or simply misplaced them when a new batch of Ka-bar knives came in. Many thanks! ). They did not adopt this knife, as we know the M3 was They've put a pretty generous recurve in the blade and shape of the handle plays well with standard and reverse grips. Maybe you can help me out here. As late as the 80s and 90s, Japanese made copies of the MK2 KABAR and the Air Force Survival Knife were sold in exchanges around the globe. Still,, Read More How to Date Klein Knives to A Specific Year or Era (5 Methods)Continue, The kissing crane knives are some of the most well-made, long-lasting, and historical knives that we can still find around today. Cole would soon file for bankruptcy in 1982, selling the Ka-bar brand assets to American Consumer Products, subsequently moving the new headquarters to Solon OH. by orvet Thu May 30, 2013 2:01 pm, Post Heres a link to Frank Trzaska's Note on the subject. Camillus stagged bone grips with brass pins. The primary document that describes the various features of the Air Force Survival Knife is Military Specification MIL-K-8662 (16 October 1953). If you happen to have, Read More How to Date A Case Kodiak Knife by Yourself (Expert Advice)Continue, Klein knives are clear vintages, and theyre one of those knives that went to the war. and it's variations check out Gary Cunningham's Bayonet Points # 8 right here Bayo Points 8
forces were gone by 1973. Once you open the link you can either scroll about have way down and look for the title "bright blades", or put it into the find function and let the machine do the work. forces. of Tom Williams, Camillus factory historian, I have assembled the I would, thus, rather you look at the knife itself rather than trying to use the sheath to make a judgment. It doesn't get much better then this one. It was made from a spring off a model T. The sheath was made from a leather belt off a steam tractor. This is what Camillus was thinking about at the end of the war, Thanks for your response. where possible. Camillus produced the Jet Pilot Survival Knife with a 5-inch blade from 1961-2006. I believe youre more interested in dating the vintage ones, though, so the other era guides on that list are best suited to your needs. Camillus produced the knife with a 6-inch blade from 1959-1961. Charlie I happen to agree with your take here. down, risers and lines. The condition of the leather sheath is what would one would expect to be from late 1960s to early 1970s vintage as it was found at the time, which has not degraded since. This initial fabrication met the basic outlined requirements what the Navy wanted, with the approval of the drawing, we then begin to see the application of the applied property marks which are simply USN on the ricasso. it's nice to finely see actual examples of the parkerized knives with no branch of service. Well I got my first one from and Army Helicopter pilot in Germany 1963. The survival machete is great. I am 63 yo and have had this knife since I was a teenager. We can go down the list for all the contractors. This design was accepted, and the military specifications documents were updated to reflect Marbles concept in MIL-K-8662A (04 November 1957). Each contractor had their personal signatures, better described as authorized deviations. Before you can regard them as a collectors item, though, you need to know that you are working with the, Read More How to Tell How Old a Barlow Knife Is by Yourself (Charts, Stamps, and More)Continue, I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. Mikedon thanks for posting the pictures. Knife. I apologize for the delay in responding to your question. I attach a photo of the peened pommel that makes this 6" a 1960 model: Hi. The The serrated spine on this knife is part of the functional requirements for this knife. I have never heard it being issued in the Navy but can say without a doubt many all of us flight crew members were issued one. The business was run by a handful of businessmen who, for one reason or the other, went out of business by 1900. I recently bought a new Ontario that has 3-11 on the pommel (March 2011 I reckon). I hope this helps. But so many times the answer can be quite complicated. In fact, I believe that learning how to date a ka-bar knife requires more attention to detail and a couple of more moving parts than when we were dealing with the Kissing Crane knives. I have little knowledge on the Use of it in Vietnam, that said, I cant find much details. Note the scabbards with and without sheet
Instead, he sought out a smaller cutlery brand in Camillus and joined the management team. Before this requirement, knives of several types were procured by the individual branches of the military and dispensed to their members. From the picture you can see that the length of the hilts are different. unknown variant like the Marbles above. Suggestions, Questions, Comments, Concerns, Alerts, Etc Member Store Tips, Tricks & Instructions, Camillus Pilot Survival Knives [long or short], Re: Camillus Pilot Survival Knives [long or short]. blade and solid spun rivets for the military. You are able to get the knife because it is dummy corded to you. I appreciate you writing this post and the rest of the site is very good. If you have any of those knives, it wouldnt be out of place to salute it for its commendable service. The blade not adopted had a flat blade with plastic Resinox pommel. steel domed rivets. This is the early AAC The sharpening stone size shall be 3 inches long, 7/8-inch-wide, and 1/4 inch thick. Find out more below. The latest dated pommel stamped Camillus 5733 is 3-1985. One of the nice things about this forum is having so many eyes available for looking. In most of the places that Ive come across a Klein knife, it was either a military electricians knife or for another handyman. Need help identifying camillus knife Riley12 Apr 16, 2014 Riley12 Guide Joined Jun 27, 2013 Messages 1,053 Likes 263 Location Florida Apr 16, 2014 #1 I bought this knife today, and was told it's a naval survival knife, because of the blue in the bottom, but it doesn't look like the naval survival knives. Today, we keep finding fewer and fewer people who fought in WWII around. If there is anything else you want to know which I missed, do let me know in the comments section or reach out via the contact page. These influences upon the procurement system tempered the DoD design features of the knife. generate quite a few questions so we hope this is a help to a few folks. They are back again and better then ever. Tom said that the Government contract was cancelled in 1984. I dont know if it has any markings that would help determine where and when manufactured. Camillus Tang Stamps and Dates (www.bladeforums.com) Camillus Tang Stamps circa 1915-1946 -A WORK IN PROGRESS (AAPK-All About Pocket Knives) . Heavily used Camillus hunter, possible returned to the Since the manufacturers maintained it themselves, its a reasonably accurate way to tell the era that a knife came from. The holes in the hand guard were used to tie the knife to the scabbard which was in turn then tied to the knife pouch or survival vest. Held off rust well, and it is pretty solid. We place the WW II era
Seems vagrant has an orange handled knife with a small blade protruding from it on picture #79. It doesn't get any better then this S-449 A and S-449B Prototype Hunting Knives with different by coffeecup Sun May 26, 2013 9:03 am, Post Both have dark what I believe is blued blades. Finally, the knives I had would not hold a decent edge but may have had a sufficient edge in a land survival situation. knife with Rosewood plain grips and brass pins. Carried in Vietnam we doubt it. Nickel silver guards made in 1948. It appears that in 2006, Ontario Knife Company became the current vendor to the DoD of the Jet Pilot Survival Knife under the National Stock Number (NSN): 7340-00-098-4327. US Military utility multi tool knife, no lanyard. Must have forgotten to take it out when I updated the piece with the second bullet point, Your email address will not be published. Did Camillus Make Other Brands Knives on Contract? The OP had such and an easy question, one would think. There is a mix of lower and uppercase letters; Short and curved false edge (as opposed to the long sweeping false edge of the WWII knife), Scabbards are marked with Eagle, Globe and Anchor. Frank reports that Marbles was supplying the Ideal to the Government as early as 1934. I have a Camillus USA 5 fixed blade knife that was issued to me between 1964-1965 as a flight crew member in Patrol Squadron 8, VP-8 Anti submarine warfare squadron. The Newer one is by Camillus the older one I got given to by my uncle, who got it from someone in Vietnam. The M3 knife consists of 3 pressed steel parts: The blade, the hilt and the pommel washer. This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1946 to 1950. Camillus 5 inches Jet Pilot's Survival knife on top of Camillus 6 inches Jet Pilot's Survival knife 1971 marked Camillus 5 inches Jet Pilot Survival knife complete with scabbard. This does not impact the price of the item youre buying and it supports me to keep creating the content that you love. Dated 1/25/1943 on the order. #3 Speak with Knife Collectors and Dealers. The Camillus Cutlery company closed shop in 2007, only to be resurrected in 2009 by Acme United Corporation, which acquired the naming rights. the M3 pommel and guard to improve their knife and help conserve parts. Both have leather grips. Knife #1 and #2 were never found in the factory collection years ago, this The way that Camillus 5733 knives are marked can give us a general idea of when the knife was made. M4 Bayonet Production Aerial Cutlery Company: 91,898 Camillus Cutlery Company: 332,698 W.R. Case & Sons Cutlery Co.: 224,764 Imperial Knife Company: 917,894 Kinfolks, Inc: 119,702 Pal Blade Company: 268,000 Utica Cutlery Company: 515,000 An unmarked prototype hunter with Stagged Rosewood and I have a MK2 copy that I bought in the US Army AAFES exchange in West Germany in the mid-1980s. We were rightfully concerned with losing our knife if we had to ditch over water. It is marked U.S.N over MARK I. 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I have several good photos of the knife which Id be happy to forward but there doesnt seem to be a way to send them to you on this site. Here is the basic history of this knife. If you dont have both the repro and original side by side, you might not be able to tell the difference sometimes. Enjoy and See you on the trail! The rarest USMC knife in spacer arrangements. 5684 L77A: Camillus tried to talk Naval Ordnance into using Force survival kit knife. The intended use of the knife is for pilots as required in survival situations. I know my knives - maybe not as well as my mother - but enough to write helpful guides for you. sactroop- Just noticed the lower Camillus above the stamped sheath has a very well defined, scooped out fuller. Sweeping grind. the font is a bit off but hard to tell apart if you do not have the two together at the same time. selected. The fun thing is that you also date the scabbards. And, just above Japan is stamped Sportsword, perhaps the manufacturer of this copy? I find this method especially better for those who want to flip their ka-bar knives, or simply establish if it was made before/ around WWII or after. The Air Force Survival Knife is an excellent knife. Made after march 1985 to 2006. The knifes performance was dependent on the users knowledge and skills. It was enlightening to discover that there is very little information available on the background and origins of this knife. Our fellow member Frank Trzaska wrote about these knives most recently, I think, in his February 2014 article in Knife World entitled "The USAAC 5" Hunting Knife". It is marked just U.S.N. Your email address will not be published. The sharpened clip point on the blade allows the pilot to punch a hole in the aluminum then use the knife spine as a hasty saw to cut through the aircraft skin during an aircraft egress situation. Mine is a well-worn obviously military example, with a grey pommel top and worn leather sheath with steel tip. Saunders knives; and a few more knives under contract. The back piece has also been cut-through by the blade over the years, so the metal addition was definitely needed. silver. Dear Major,I have had this knife for 30 years when I picked one up at local sporting goods store ,it served me well but, sadly had it stolen a few years ago.my question is how to safely (without too much damage to tang or butt plate (large nut square hole) to change handle ? Camillus Cuda Bolt Spring Assisted Knife Gray (3.625" Black) CM19080 MSRP: $50.99 Our Price: $43.95 Add to Cart Camillus Erupt Spring Assisted Knife Black GRN (2.5" Black) Our Price: $33.95 Add to Cart Camillus HEAT Spring Assisted Knife Black GFN (3.5" Black) CM19167 Our Price: $55.95 Add to Cart However it was a cheap copy of low quality steel! We were allowed to keep them when dicharged. 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