Shimano's EP8, short for DU-EP800, features a higher maximum torque of 85Nm compared to the older E8000's 70Nm, topping it by an extra 21%. Would you like to receive offers, updates and events from BikeRadar and its publisher Our Media Ltd (an Immediate Group Company)? When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Basically any minor impact that causes the chain to bounce and tug at the chainring will result in noise. Also worth noting is that you can create two riding profiles, which you can alternate between via the menu and push-button on the display. Indeed Shimano EP8 is starting to become available across quite a wide range of bikes at various price points. Hitting those famous tracks day in, day out for eight years, he broke more bikes than he can remember. The charge bars are a major issues though on the 8000, after a bit of use the battery becomes extremely unpredictable. There is zero stickiness at the pedals that we could detect. So why has no one made a motorized gearbox yet? Certainly of all the full-power motors weve tested, Shimano EP8 affords the most seamless feel as the power fades in and out around the assistance cutoff. The Shimano EP8 RS motor, the key to the experience. What can consumers expect to happen if their EP8s spindle fails? Mine gets very hot. Hopefully this option will open up to non-Garmin users in the future. Otherwise I do not care. An E-bike with 200 watt power assist, 350 WH battery, and total weight of bike under 34 lbs. When youre at those 30-40km/h descending speeds, EP8 doesnt punish you for stamping on the pedals to build some extra speed in the lead-up to a jump or dropoff. Quick everyone, it's another article about e-bikes grab the pitchforks! Now I have $10k garage ornament that I can't ride for 3 months. Alex then moved back to the UK and put his vast knowledge of mountain biking to good use by landing a job working for MBUK magazine as features editor. Thanks! Furthermore, having the battery life displayed as five bars is positively rudimentary. Truly unfortunate you lost it. - Lightweight and small form factor Yesterday I drove down south to explore some new trail in Utah. Limiting the maximum torque is something youll notice more at low cadences in high-load applications rather than general trail riding. We asked Shimano and e*thirteen for comment on the spindle cracking issue. As of April 2021, all of Commencals EP8-equipped bikes have been specced with Shimano cranks, but this change has taken some time to filter through to consumers because of the time it takes for fully built bikes to get to the shop floor. Shimanos battery flexibility certainly presents a significant advantage over the likes of Bosch, which is much more limited with its battery options. How stuff like this gets through what I would like to think was extensive testing I will never know. Weve been living with the Shimano EP8 motor for six months now across three different bikes; the Merida eOne-Sixty, the Polygon Mt Bromo, and the Canyon Spectral:ON. However, when coasting on rough terrain the unloaded system can exhibit a 'NORMAL' clicking sound that may be detectable to the rider. TSB 156 addresses a reported issue where the crank preload end cap can loosen and fall off, eventually causing the pedal cranks to become detached from the bottom-bracket spindle. Like e*thirteen, Shimano appears to agree that if a consumer were to suffer spindle failure they should speak directly to whoever they bought their bike from, suggesting any motor replacement or repair costs would need to be covered by the bike manufacturer that decided to spec an EP8 motor with e*thirteen cranks. Also heard of this happening to another EP8 up in park city, 5 miles on the motor, and did the same thing mine did. Also did some trail work. A forum community dedicated to Mountain Bike owners and enthusiasts. What's left is just a plain old mountain bike with a weight around 14kg. I've never heard the rattling noise that has been posted in the early reviews - the motor is super quiet, so it looks to me like much ado about nothing. Occasionally it can feel a little peakier compared to EP8, but for the most part both motors are easy to get used to within a few rides. Non-recommended 3rd party cranks can make a crack in the spindle because the difference in design from Shimanos crank causes increased stress around the spindle hole. I think the only way it can get even close (And still doesn't) to that statement, is riding 25km on an analogue, or 50km on an ebike. - A little more overrun on technical climbs would be swell All I could find is that bike manufacturers are to hold off selling the EP8 until Oct/Nov while they addresses some final issues. He was pretty happy about ANT compatibility. While I am at the age/account to have one, I couldn't imagine riding longer than my 630W battery lasted, i don't think i would be able to walk for a week. Environmentally I think they're a disaster as well - rare earth elements in the batteries for one thing. This allows bike companies to engineer a single frame, while offering cheaper models with a 504Wh battery, and high-end models with a 630Wh battery. Looks like Rocky(Dyname), Giant(Yamaha) and Specialized(Brose) are in for 2021 and Shimano and Bosch are out. While the EP8s performance on the climbs is generally excellent, we have occasionally wished for a little more overrun for clearing technical features. In comparison, the MasterMind TCU display on the new Specialized Levo offers a significantly more customisable and overall user-friendly experience. This means its impossible to tell whether you have 21% or 49% battery remaining. At my age 69, if it isn't fun, exciting, and challenging, count me out! You've been subscribed to our newsletter. I have a gen 3 and it's totally quiet when coasting . No, you're running the latest EP8. The Purion controller is vastly simpler and easy to read, but it looks cheap and its bulky, making it an awkward fit with brake and dropper levers. The cause is due to the difference in design from Shimanos crank, which causes increased stress around the spindle hole.. Along with the new EP8 motor, Shimano has also released a larger 630Wh battery, which seems to be the most popular option at the moment youll find it inside both the Canyon Spectral:ON and Merida eOne-Sixty. Shimanos answers to our questions are published below verbatim. - Strong but very well-tuned power delivery The lighter weight is a big plus as well. You miss that obscure offering from Specialized? Save 30% + G-Form Pro X3 Knee Pads when you subscribe to MBUK magazine. If in doubt about such components, we recommend speaking to your bicycle manufacturer.. Generally on bikes we spend so little time braking that regeneration would be a waste of effort. In the higher settings, the motor will deliver maximum power without you having to pedal very hard at all. I'm sure a dynamo can be integrated somehow with the hub rotations without causing a lot of drag. Reading between the lines, we suspect the misinterpretation e*thirteen is referring to is regarding the EP8 bottom bracket axle spindle failure noted in TSB 157. Unfortunately this clutch also produces a metallic clack whenever it rotates back and fourth. My local rides average 30-35km with just under 1km of climb. On my e8000, my impression was (now on a Trek Rail w a Bosch gen 4) that if you were at two bars, you were really at one, and if you were at one, youd better be a couple of blocks from home. Is this a review for ants? The brand suggests EP8 owners should inspect their motors spindles for damage or cracks originating from the drilled hole used for the pedal crank retainer hook, located on the splined portion of the axle. Approved crank arms are listed at si.shimano.com and are communicated towards bicycle manufacturers. For the type of riding and trails I do, battery power is not an issue, in fact would look at a smaller battery and weight savings on my next rig. Just got my first 29er. This means its impossible to tell whether you have 21% or 39% battery remaining. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. My take away besides the obviously pro/con talking points was the weight of the bike. Save 30% + G-Form Pro X3 Knee Pads when you subscribe to MBUK magazine. If speed and maximum power output is less of a concern though, switching into the factory Eco mode is a sure-fire way to get more ride time expect range to double from those figures above. The belt-driven design is also a touch quieter when pedalling, and theres no clacking noise either. This BT-8036 battery only needs a 4mm hex key to be released from the frame for charging separately, which is unlike Bosch that requires a special key (potentially something else to lose/forget). - Available on a wide-range of different e-MTBs, - Clacking noise can be annoying I'd do way more on a big day. What this article says to me is that ebikes are no where never the level of refinement that I would require to give up a normal bike. Alex is also a dedicated eMTB rider, and still dabbles in racing of a sort, doing his best to top the Strava leaderboard on the steepest, gnarliest and twistiest trails the Tweed Valley has to offer just for fun, of course. Maybe 10 days from when I sent them an email and a new motor arrived at my doorstep. We suspect the amount of riding required to replicate this problem far exceeds the number of kilometres an average bike tester will do on any given model. As in, we totally forgot about it altogether. I was sure it was a motor issue till I realized I needed to put the speed sensor on the new wheel. This adjustment has the biggest impact on the motors performance and your total range. Alex Evans is BikeRadars senior mountain bike technical editor. I'm honestly flabbergasted that people complain about it tbh lol. It also depends on the bike too. Stab happy!". Along with the EP8s magnesium casting, heat sinks and polished logos, it affords a classy look not an easy feat for an e-MTB. With that said, all my riding is tough climbs and steep descents, without an e-bike would be walking up a bunch of it. Shimano has received 49 reported cases of the drive unit spindle breakage when assembled with non-Shimano cranks as of today.. if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do, we charge it up to 11. It's really, really quite quiet. 20ft into my ride and the motor cut out. Perfect? That rattling feeling comes from one way bearing. Power delivery is immediately intuitive thanks to the new MasterMind firmware that Specialized developed specifically for the 2.2 motor, which reduces power spikes from rapid changes in crank speed and pedal pressure. 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So despite being an engineer the non-linear noisy nature of the reporting makes it very difficult to plan rides and I almost always finish the last few km without assistance for bigger rides. The touch points are all up to typical Shimano standards of quality, though we would like to see improvements to the functionality of the display unit, notably having battery life shown as a percentage. Over the past six months of riding, the Shimano EP8 motor has really impressed us with just how much punch it delivers from such a lightweight and compact package. Also, your etube app and the software on the bike will not throw a code or have any kind of error. According to e*thirteen, the safety inspection is relevant to all EP8 owners, regardless of what cranks are fitted. Instead, we recommend setting aside some time for a battery-drainer test ride, somewhere that is accessible and easy to ride out with a flat battery, in order to work out your maximum range you can get during typical riding conditions. Do you think it could be only an issue with Carbon frames then? You can hear it in the workshop just by lifting the rear wheel and dropping it on the ground, where it sounds a bit like a loose pebble bouncing around inside a wooden box. (7000km ridden so far). So that would include rocks, hops, trackstands but also sudden boosts from a standstill. He started racing downhill at the tender age of 11 before going on to compete across Europe. How many instances of this problem has Shimano encountered? Oh, how the humorous aspect of your comment has been missed. Their heckler had complete battery failure, the ship date for a new one is close to the motor ship date. What is Shimanos take on e*thirteens metallurgic analysis findings? "Unquestionably, Shimano has the cleanest and sleekest display integration on the market". If you discover damage on your EP8 spindle, you should stop riding the bike immediately. Same with brose 2.1 & their motor failures. Have had my Norco Range LVT with the EP8 for a week and have noticed the noise, maybe once? As expected, the new Shimano EP8 motor gets a hefty boost in power, with a claimed maximum torque output of 85 Nm. Plus integration looks like shit on those Nox bikes. But even then it is still quieter than my saddle bag bouncing around. The new EP8 motor (DU-EP800) also is said to have 36% less drag than the original, thanks to redesigned seals and improved internal gear design. It's kinda frustrating. A bike that weighs almost half as much as the rider. The EP8s smooth power delivery is mirrored by its exceptionally low drag something that is totally noticeable (or rathernot noticeable) around the 25km/h cutoff point. Others will tell us the EP8 is a weaker motor. Its worth noting that Bosch motor is only compatible with Bosch battery options though. Furthermore, the range estimation is more accurate in our experience too. The updated Trail mode is brilliant, and the option to fine-tune each assist mode is a welcome feature for achieving the desired feel while maximising range. @tomdesoals: That excuse that Shimano put out by their customer service dept . Along with a new larger 630Wh battery option, plus updated hardware and software, Shimano certainly hasnt held back with its much-anticipated return fire on the highly competitive and fast-moving electric mountain bike market. You can't imagine what kind of thought must have gone behind that response? Funny that Shimano now budget e-bike motor builds? Great for climbing, on the descents the weight changes how I ride, not better or worse. Im the worlds biggest ebike fan & I quite agree. I have ridden ebikes great fun,addictive, you gain some things , but lose some things as well, like all bikes a compromise. -- Wild Bill. When they start looking (and weighing closer to regular trail bikes then I'll consider. If a dynamo can be worked into the wheel hubs, you may even get near perpetual charging while the system is in use. The brand was made aware of failures occurring when the EP8 motor is used with pedal cranks made by brands other than Shimano, including e*thirteens e*spec ebike-specific cranks. IMO Shimano bikes are good,but they are 2 steps down compared to Specialized and Bosch. Along with the fault-free performance weve experienced so far, wed have no hesitation in recommending a bike built around Shimano EP8 this is a high quality and well-rounded e-MTB system. Our drive units are not tested for use with third party crank arms.. That would be awesome to do laps on. And more power requires more juice. According to Shimano, design differences between Shimano and non-Shimano cranks cause the axle to crack and eventually fail. Plus the prices will drop as the tech becomes cheaper and can be offered at lower prices. And we certainly wouldnt be upset if Shimano could quieten down the clacking noise. Sell it to me, bet ya cant specially at a respectable 90 keys. Don't worry: "Every time you start your pitchfork, it resets into 'no stab' mode. One is a Haibike Fat-Tire with a Yamaha Drive, the second is an absolutely brilliant 40lb (including battery) DIODE from LaMere Cycles in the USA. You are not alone. A bit like chain slap when you don't apply force on the pedals. The actual mechanism works well but is very easy to break, just turn the allen key the wrong way by mistake..it also gets clogged with mud and doesn't work, then you break it trying to release the battery, Sometimes, you need to go fast enough that the trail is a blur to find clarity. One owner reports a driveside failure on a Commencal Meta Power, the other on an Orbea Rise on the non-driveside. Drive Unit Display Assist Switch Battery Drivetrain Tackle steep climbs and tough trails with full confidence thanks to 85Nm maximum torque. But would the noise stop us from recommending an EP8-equipped bike? And compared to E8000, the new EP8 motor is considerably more powerful on the trail, whilst retaining the smooth and intuitive delivery that weve always dug about Shimanos drive units. If you are disabled and need a motor on your bike in order to ride, I understand. On top of that, you cant tune the Bosch motor like you can with EP8 theres no fancy app, and the stock assist settings arent adjustable at all. Maximum Torque This allows you to limit the maximum torque, with 10 levels of adjustment from 20 Nm to 85 Nm. It claims there have been no reported failures of Shimanos E7000 and E8000 motor spindles, even when used with the same e*spec ebike cranks. "- Only five power bars for charge level.". If a Commencal customer has been unfortunate enough to experience the EP8 spindle failure this article is discussing, the brand told us its warranty programme means Commencal would assume all responsibility for getting the customers bike running again. What's your experience on this? We like to setup Profile 1 with softer settings for maximum range when riding solo, and Profile 2 with the punchier factory settings for faster e-MTB group rides. According to the TSB, only Shimanos EP8 motor is affected. @tomdesoals: I don't quite get it though. Can we get reviews this in depth for regular bikes? Stay tuned, as well have an Orbea Rise test bike arriving very soon. The investigation has led e*thirteen to produce technical service bulletin 157 (TSB), published on its website on 14 October 2021. The reported cases of drive unit spindle breakages on our DU-EP800 drive units were combined with non-Shimano cranks. On one ride with the Canyon Spectral:ON, the range estimation initially showed 25km. The complaints of charge bars on the display and the bike starting without any assistance are non issues for me. Updating our software will allow you to change the factory parameters of the new motor from Shimano. Shimano get your shit together or just say that you're not going to find a fix. Hey Ralf Hauser!! Anyone having problems with the charger? This occurs if the cap is not correctly tightened or the factory-fitted threadlock hasnt been adequately applied, and if the crank arms pinch bolts arent tightened to their correct torque. Their heckler had complete battery failure, the ship date for a new one is close to the motor ship date. Sources at numerous ebike suppliers have told Cycle Volta this week that releases of new EP8-equipped electric mountain bikes are being held up, on Shimano's direction. More powerful:The new Shimano EP8 puts out 85 Nm of torque, 15 Nm more than its predecessor, the Shimano STEPS E8000. A downside of the 2.2 motor is that it is noticeably draggy above the 25km/h cutoff though something we experienced during back-to-back between the Levo and Canyon Spectral:ON. When we see failures like this, it is incumbent on us to find the root cause and, if it is within our control, provide a resolution, reads e*thirteens statement. Any rider who owns an ebike with an EP8 motor fitted with e*thirteen cranks currently has two options. The metallurgic analysis was conducted to discover root cause. Its the Orbea Rise that achieves the most discreet integration however, with a frame that was purpose-built around the smaller EP8 motor, rather than having been retrofitted from a previous E8000 drive unit. I'm 56 with a long term knee injury. I also have Commencal 2021 meta power sx. Improving performance on undulating terrain, Shimano has also increased the EP8s available torque at lower cadences. I despise young people buying ebikeswhat a bunch of lazy. Its clear why this motor is becoming popular with so many bike brands, given the flexibility it offers frame designers, particularly with the variety of battery options on offer. Yes, we understand how and why spindle breakage may occur when some non-Shimano cranks are used with our DU-EP800 drive unit. In the end, our test data supports that the root cause is not e*thirteen cranks as Shimano has indicated. If consumers use the recommended cranks, there should not be any issue this combination meets our strict and exacting quality standards. Overall its a vastly neater execution compared to the likes of Bosch and Yamaha with their Kinder Surprise-style switch units. Unfortunately frenchies and Germans are not masters of marketing. The new motor, called EP8, is 10 percent smaller and is a lot lighter. The only Shimano-approved pedal cranks listed on Shimanos website are the FC-EM600, FC-M8150 and FC-EM900, all of which are available to buy aftermarket from various retailers. I want to use the Shimano EP8 motor for a small production of solar bikes. So when the new version is so much better Refinement is all relative. Shimano advises that only approved crank arms should be used with its DU-EP8 drive units, reads Shimanos statement. Shimano has put its long-running Steps E8000 format to pastor and heralds in its EP8 motor unit for 2021. No, not at all. In a closed Facebook group called Shimano EP8 Owners, there are also reports of EP8 spindle failures. When new the last bar of charge corresponds to roughly 15-20% charge, but over time this becomes 5-10%. Specializeds Mission Control app continues to be the market leader in terms of connectivity, tuning options and user-friendliness. Uh oh, another one E-triggered. Both bikes were fitted with e*thirteen cranks. Its almost as if the battery drains faster in that final 20%. e-bikes remove the only non-financial barrier for entry into a sport that historically required at least some small amount of fitness. Some claim it's a dangerous motor that suffers spindle failures. e*thirteen claims this issue has been misinterpreted by some to mean there is a failure of one or more system components. The svelte motor casing provides more clearance for the rear wheel and suspension components, allowing brands to build their bikes with shorter chainstays. Yeah, that's pretty poor! I haven't had the privelage to ride any bosch equiped bikes or other shimano bikes but this thing is so quiet I think it would be hard to find another ebike motor that is more silent. The EP8 RS engine is physically the same as the . "but since I have to hit the small button repeatedly when my battery charge becomes critical on some rides". Can they make it swappable with a gear box? Now, we're not going to be working on the actual. Hes one of BikeRadars lead testers and knows how to push bikes and products to the limit, searching out the equipment that represents the best value for money. However, you do pay for all that refinement and integration. I read a similar story around christmas on an other forum. Annoying rattle, did anyone say that to Shimano when they first introduced the freewheel? This speed may be enough, but some people may find it very frustrating because from 25 km/h they have to make a gigantic effort to follow their teammates since the assistance is cut off or simply because they want to go faster. In the lower settings, youll have to pedal really hard to get maximum support the motor. Try to tackle crazy steep tech climbs. It was one of the most fun bikes to ride. Alex is also a regular on the BikeRadar YouTube channel and BikeRadar podcast. What is rattling? The Shimano EP8 user interface is similarly elegant in its design. No, but the best on the market IMO. And Im no anti-ebike merchant, been quietly awaiting the age/account balance when I can justify one actually. Though the new EP8 motor is claimed to be more efficient than its predecessor, there is of course more power too. What makes me sad is seeing young people hop on the e bike train so that they can go on a longer ride or so that someone who is new to cycling can keep up with their friends who have been riding for years, all to perpetuate needless consumerism and a gross waste of resources. The maximum rider support was raised to 400%, compared to the E8000's 300%. @tomdesoals: Ah, thanks I get it. Again, shift it down one notch at a time to get a feel for the change. I found this beauty as an example: The reviewer weighs 55kgs. I'm not an ebike hater - but (you knew it was coming) - I can't ever see myself being able to justify the expense of one and I wouldn't like to risk a second hand one. IMO we're still in the pilot phase and have a lot of room for improvement. By Ralf Hauser And you're clearly not pedaling, just pure flow. It's a powerful unit with a huge reach, but it has a little problem: it rattles when riding downhill or, simply put, there is no power on the pedals. Personally, were ok with downshifting and spinning our way up a steep incline its better for the health of your knees, and its likely better for the health of the motor too. Still, that clutch design means it is impressively drag-free beyond the cutoff point. The brand told us it was aware of the spindle issue and has been in contact with both Shimano and e*thirteen about it. Subscribe from just 13.50 and get a Lezyne Pocket Drive Pump, worth 29! We have shared the results with Shimano and select OEM customers. 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