Sounds more like damage control. As it has been stated in widening circles of social media, under these circumstances (such as: improper investigation, witness discounting/tampering/intemadation, and most important lack of following scriptural guidelines) the Willow Creek 501(c)3 church organization by many credible voices has been deemed/proscribed as no longer a(n) safe or scriptural place to attend or be a part of. An honest person has nothing to hide and everything to gain and will save things because he is safe in the knowledge that evidence will only prove his innocence. I want to express my gratitude to Nancy for coming forward. Hybels was an early god of the mega how to manual. What you are saying is that public perception of sin causes people to walk away from the faith? I am not surprised at all that it will get ugly There are people that are totaly sold out to seeker sensitive approch. Your boss? This is church. Maybe you were mistaken, and maybe it was just a fluke and will never happen again. I understand the victim mentality, I have been a victim, but his repentance has little to do with the womens healing. I have seen it for over 20 years. Still, i know these women and they are godly and credible. Its not the victim. Very true, and far too common: Jerry Sandusky, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Dr. Larry Nassar, Bill Hybels. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. So both Nancy Ortberg and her husband wonderful teaching pastors stayed on the staff later resigned to pastor in California. Or suddenly you find out 2-3 (and later 7 or more) women have had similar experiences. Lynne Hybels, Wife of Pastor Bill Hybels, Gloriously Rises Above It All to Find a Christianity She 'Had Never Known' Photo Credit: LynneHybels.com "My husband and I have been married for over four decades. This is MBA stuff. Thats all the ambien defense is too. So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ. If Hybels had confessed an Ambien addiction with unlikely but serious side effects at the WC family meeting which had caused his occasional bad behavior around women staffers, he might have received a longer standing ovation. I dont like people hugging me. It is the Spirits job to convict and change.. Im not convinced that his view of hell can be called heresy. But, I seriously doubt your using scripture as a club will shame, convince or condemn many here. You also wonder what other people might think of you if you mention it. What a great article! Character is revealed, not when things are going our way but when things are painful. He has denied. But, still I try not to broad brush. There is your real problem, right there. It was a constant topic from a social psychological view. April 13, 2018. Its uncomfortable but is it anything really? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. Not one. There is great peace in being able to say That action was wrong. and not have to decide Is he saved?. The beast must be fed. Time for some more sacred cows to get smashed. Some people left, but our church has been transformed. Every believer has a unique calling. I mean, most say they want the truth. In 1974, Bill Hybels married Lynne while he was still a youth pastor. That seems inappropriate. I have long been leery of Hybels (and other mega church pastors) because these guys are basically Christian rock stars and are treated accordingly. What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. And every word in it, every allegation, is completely irrelevant to the issues that forced Bill Hybels into an early retirement. Of course, some people, probably many people, will do things just for politeness sake. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. Nothing more. Bill did nothing wrong at all! I dont know how to respond to the letter. @ Davis and Natasha: Conferences in exotic locales, entitlement, accolades, a volunteer workforce that actually gives you 10% of their earnings. Every dept, every spin off ministry, with line item salaries. But only a few. And actually, it was the Holy Spirit that empowered Peter to be so bold that made it happen. During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. Really? Thus, the cottage industry that often accompanies or is an integral part of their ministry (sic) glides on, and the supposed spiritual.authority who is moving on is positioned to escape consequences and true rebuke. (In a related relevant situation, wasnt it the tech department that noticed irregularities with messaging from Tullian Tchividjian to women that directly led to the disclosure of his misconduct?). You will be swamped with Williow Creek and Bill Hybels telling us how to and their morality. @ ishy: You forgot naked swimming, shower on the boat, and deleted emails. Fascinating. The creep factor never ceases to amaze me. All so sad! Plus overtones of the old attorneys way to defend against a rape charge: Discredit the Victim making the accusation. No one walks away unascathed. Rob Bells questioning of Hell has earned him a spot on the heresy list. To choose to continue to take a medication in spite of those side effects, when there are so many other sleep aids available, makes no sense. I can assure her that never once was I assaulted, harassed etc. I dont think Jesus sees things the same way they do. We have some good news to give to the world. is lynne hybels still married to bill. My former abusive, cultish and abuser-friendly church was positively obsessed with unity. The pastor preached on it continually. Hybels condemned himself. Being gracious, forbearing people who do not want to hold our pastor to the standard of perfection, we persuade ourselves that we misread the situation, misunderstood the words, are making too big a deal of silly things, and so on. Yep. If WC folds, its a clear indication. This is largely Christianese. He is the founder of the Willow Creek Association and creator of the Global Leadership Summit . There is ignorance going on but you may be pointing in the wrong direction. Thank you for adding some lightness to this overwhelming news. That said, I am still very thankful for the work of Willow Creek. Just published over on Spiritual Sounding Board, a list of key links on Willow Creek/Bill Hybels situation official statements by individuals and organizations directly involved, Chicago Tribune article series, and other writers (mostly survivor bloggers) who offer summaries, critical analysis, and comments. Put a frog in a pot,with boiling water and the frog knows to jump out, but if the water is a slow boil, the frog with stay and finally be boiled. Ummm-not exactly. Its been drilled into our heads and many are convinced if the perp or deceiver is confronted (even years later) they will repent. Actually, hugging creates a release of oxytocin (also known as the cuddle hormone) in the human body, which can artificially create a sense of trust and closeness. Bigger news story is the Humbolt bus crash. Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching padtor) does not have the best reputation either. While WW can be messy, I think most poster here just want honesty, transparacy, and protection/respect of the weaker ones. Redemption. Invited women to their hotel rooms Its time stamped documentation. Founding and Senior Pastor Bill Hybels preaches during a service at Willow Creek Community Church on Jan. 13, 2018, in South Barrington . It would seem somewhat of a legal issue to go around wiping documents and videos, no? @ dee: If they were sent and stored in a encrypted format, then you would need the key to open them and read them. People invest a lot of themselves into their celebrity pastors. Hey WCCC, set up an 800 number with an outside firm so anyone with information can call without fear of being shamed on stage or in the press. You be the Mugu; I be the Master! The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! If you arent a hugger, you arent a hugger. psychology today says that When we hug or kiss a loved one, oxytocin levels increase; hence, oxytocin is often called the love hormone.. Nancy had no idea that he was doing this to other women. Hybels, the influential founder and pastor willow creek, resigned in april 2018 after 42 years leading the church. During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. Maybe Creekers should rethink that. And then sometimes, you end up like me: done with it all, the system that props up people with give the title pastor, that is like fresh meat to the malignant narcissist. So pastor rock stars are way more dangerous. READ MORE: Brian Scotto Net Worth Books Some of his published books are: The Power of a Whisper: Hearing God, Having the Guts to Respond; Too Busy Not to Pray: Slowing down to Be with God; Simplify: Ten Practices to Unclutter Your Soul; @ Headless Unicorn Guy: analytical thinking. However, there are a couple of things we cannot judge and this is what I believe what Scripture is talking about. Its never about us, but always focused on Jesus the Perfecter of our faith. Ruth Haley Barton, formerly of Willow Creek and trained at the very contemplative Shalem Institute for Spiritual Formation in Washington D.C., wrote Invitation to Solitude and Silence, and teaches contemplative prayer through her Transforming Center. Ok whats wrong with this picture?? The old Soviet government arrested and jailed Christians. 1 in particular always made flirtatious comments. Christianity is so intertwined with our society as the religion that the majority, if they dont believe, at least pay lip service to. Hybels is spending his time complaining and murmuring against his accusers, rather than taking their contentions to heart, examining himself, repenting and coming clean. Bill Hybels opens his eyes at dawn, rolls out of bed and lands on his knees. What do you think that Rabbi from Tarsus meant when he wrote For Satan himself can transform himself to appear as an Angel of Light? Yes, I am. Im a pastor and a survivor of emotional/verbal abuse (in a relationship, not in a church), and I can tell you that one of the biggest reasons I stayed as long as I did was because I was convinced that I didnt deserve better, I made my own bed and had to sleep in it, and that what I got was as good as I could ever hope for. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Willow Creek does not need a *incredible* leader. but I know you dont have that set up. Who is the current pastor of Willow Creek Church? when Bill Hybels prayed for/about something no matter what it was, that according to Hybels God always answered him immediately or within days, Indeed, the Lords hand is not too short to save, and His ear is not too deaf to hear. I come from a family of Russian immigrants on my fathers side. But on the wider scope, I asked the folks a work today if they knew what was happening at Willow Creek. @ AbuseCrusher: When you read it, I think you might as well. People of Willow Creek, save your church by demanding resignations from he full Elder Board and lead pastors. Jesus takes care of the harvest. Then the man of God acts as if nothing happened.. One caught my eye: Courageous Leadership. @ Lydia. "Willow Creek is known for its health and vitality as a faith community," he said. Anyone who would reject Jesus Christ as his/her savior because of this (or any) scandal was not saved in the first place. The similarities in these womens stories were striking. And people are actually saying Hybels being a champion of women was under false pretenses, for Sex? in one of those situations. Be at peace. The Devil is destroying yet another church. https://cryingoutforjustice.com/2018/03/01/for-professionals-who-work-in-domesic-abuse-dv/. Indeed. Updated | Rev. Im not saying any of that is right. Mary, read your Bible carefully. I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. I am going to say something that will probably cause an uproar. Got to stop that! There was also some sort of one world conspiracy deal. All the retreats, big brother making sure you attend mid week activities (I know of some megas that were playing around with a card swipe for staff to make sure they were attending services and staying), the need to be cool, your personal assistants doing your clothes shopping, etc, etc. Listen to yourself, Brad! These are tools, and can be applied to any agenda just change the talking points. You think you know yet you dont. When I got up to leave Bill stopped me at the door and hugged/held me tightly for about thirty seconds. I suspect one does not not from creepy hugs, but research shows it is true in more ambivalent hugs, or hugs where someone is already inclined to have even a small degree of trust (e.g. If he was having problems with women when taking Ambien, why didnt he stop taking it and get help? Some sources say that they dated for five years, broke up, got engaged then broke their engagement and later got back together and finally got married. Wow!!! She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. [I]n his private life, according to a number of women in his orbit, Krauss exhibits some of the sexist behavior that he denounces in public. Note how often those being accused are the old dogs, gone or soon to be gone from the public eye anyway. Such a horror of more revictimization. Not a word. This morning, Nancy Ortberg posted Flawed Process, Wounded Women on her website. Time for some more sacred cows to get smashed. Willow Creek is its own worst enemy not Satan. Im no expert, but my research in such matters suggests how clever and manipulative abusers are. He was once featured in a Christian magazine. I would be ROFL if it didnt mean that there are some folks who have been deceived. The church isnt being destroyed. Yes, we left HBC ourselves. . She is exposing the bizarro world of mega churches. @ jackie: I believe Nancy Ortberg and I also believe the other victims who have come forward. Church Discipline @ Thersites: It is as if they are trying to saysee! @ Lydia. He pulled me aside and asked me if anything had happened. Fear fear of losing jobs, celebrity and the 501c3. They are evangelized for church. From the website, its all sunshine and lollipops but the mask is really starting to slip. Put it in context and think about such a convo. So thats why I was interested in this concept. Fools a lot of people and so utterly against anything Christ said. These have what I think are some significant parallels from which to consider some larger patterns. Tysvm Dee. Sadly, this woman does not understand how business is conducted. This easy-to-follow guide for enjoying a happy, healthy, and lifelong relationship includes . In some jurisdictions and situations, it may lead to criminal charges for spoliation of evidence or perhaps even tampering of evidence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed. Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priests servant, cutting off his right ear. If you (the church at Ephesus) do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. Rev 2:7. Lynne Hybels and Bill Hybels have two grown children, Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels, and one son-in-law, Aaron Niequist.. To get them on the defensive? Missionary Man In the end the price has already been paid by Jesus and its Only By Grace that we enter.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv72Q23lIp0. Once again, that is left in the capable Hands of our Father. But eventually they will wake up to what happened and it will not be pretty when nice people realize that they have been manipulated and used. The worst that often has happened is some vague mumbled half-apology or copping to a general misunderstanding. However, just noticed a mega the founding family kids were using as their cash cow, followed by sexual indiscretions. To fellowship with other believers? You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. Did we demand transparency? This is part of the problem that the #metoo movement does not address. Harvey was condemned by Hollywood while Bill received the proverbial Standing O, I had to read this twice. The one about J. Ortberg? In your view, discussing Hybels behavior is worse than his behavior. Ive learned how to see the tactics of abusers because Ive been listening to the victims of domestic abuse for years, am a survivor of CSA and DV and spiritual abuse myself plus Ive read many of the statements which perps make when their sins are called out and exposed. Im particularly disgusted by They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth.. I am a Billy Graham fan, just so you know. Amen! If I were a member, I would call for a complete replacement. Ive no doubt that there was irregularities going on at WCC. I did respond and said that I loved Billy Graham I allow comments like this to stand so people can see problems I have experienced within Big Eva. I pray every day for you-know-who to be able to find a way out of teaching which did not result in poverty. @ okrapod: Is that structure really the best way to know Christ? Try to respond like Jesus might and you will be let through. Just wonderin. Im unclear about what faith journey means, but it sounds very Willow Creek. Ask yourself If we are to judge on actions that are listed as sin or are considered crimes, then what does this really mean. Sad! Whats His true name you should know youve written a lot of books, etc and been a pastor for a very long time. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. Is that structure really the best way to know Christ? Look for similarities with the other victims testimonies. From all angles. To all those women that have been psychologically damaged, what a needless tradegy. Bill Hybels is a legendary figure in the world of business. Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. Hugging spouse and kids a lot is good. Whats wrong with you women? I assume you mean well. If you ever get the chance find the book, Corporate Cults. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) Paul was a tentmaker, so they had other jobs. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. Time will tell whether WC was following Christ or Hybels. Much Prayer as God makes all things clear. Make it easy for women (or their husbands, boyfriends) to provide information. So, Ive also read it in the Original Languages. By the time you get there, youve probably already been compromised yourself, youve supported a lot of evil things, youve shouted down others who were only trying to get at the truth (as I once did, alassorry, Adam, you were right and I was wrong, pastor really was up to no good), and its not easy to extricate yourself or your family. It is hard enough fighting rampant sex abuse in churches. This pastor allowed abuse to continue under his nose and I am going to call him on it. Publicado por Por stardew valley creepypasta septiembre 22, 2021 tvistevgen ume flashback Por stardew valley creepypasta septiembre 22, 2021 tvistevgen ume flashback He just got knocked off his pedestal and some of his supporters are throwing up their hands in despair. So much for their Christian wittiness, huh? Adults need to Stop being snookered by totalitarian niceness. Many self/proclaimed Christians dont. Timing is interesting. Which God/god Bill ? Not that hugs are linked to drugs; I am just meandering. I think the rule of thumb is that for every person who complains, there are 15-20 more that dont just because of the hassle and expectation nothing will change. Let an outside, independent firm handle the information discretely and fairly. WCC defenders. Other tricks of such manipulators include drawing others into guilt-causing behavior, for instance using swear words casually or tossing around jokes about blow jobs. It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. Shameful! It is sadly, surprisingly easy. I hope someone captured that document. He got GAWD on his side That ill advised letter by Jodi is one example. Read Paul on Mars hill. They dont feel like telling anyone, just swallow it and hold it in. (ed deleted link). But it is even harder when those left behind form a militia to hunt down and fire at anyone who dares to question the paradigm. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). why is she running alone with a man she supposedly feels uncomfortable around? Thanks, Futurist Guy. And my guess is the elders dont know either. As a victim-advocate and blogger, I feel isolated because of my time zone. It goes with safe spaces at college. Nor will Christians abandon their faith en masse over this. I am terribly concerned that there is game playing going on here by people who cannot accept that Bill Hybels has resigned and he did so believe there are problems that people cannot accept. But, visa-a-vis Nancys testimony, if things really were so bad and uncomfortable in that hotel room, why the following admittance: On a subsequent conference trip to Hawaii, I went running with Bill and he struck up a conversation about the amnesiac side effects of Ambien. Excuse me? Willow Creek needs Jesus and they need to let Him be in control. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk. Gossip! Love That Lasts book. Jesus takes care of the harvest. I also think if its true, it minimizes his and his wifes ability to legitimately point the finger at others, and the impact of their words, and that is very unfortunate. He could have retired during the Big 40th celebration and the women could have been supported and validated. William Hybels (born December 12, 1951) is an American church figure and author. I dont know why he does these things. Ive been to Ephesus and it is just a tourist destination. Brad, for better or worse, you are an example of the average WCC person to me. Bill Hybels touched me, hugged me invited me to his room I left then went to my hotel room and cried.. Really? Using God like a tool. , cultish and abuser-friendly church was positively obsessed with unity think are some parallels... 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