In the original "Decline," the talented denizens of L.A.'s punk rock scene -- Black Flag, X, the Germs, the Circle Jerks -- were budding activists and politicized poets too full of spit and fervor to lapse into despair (the exception was the Germs' front man, Darby Crash, whose suicide shortly after the first film wrapped was an anomaly). Both are illegal. The soundtrack was released in December 1980 by Slash Records on LP. The film was ostensibly a followup to her first documentary, 1981's The Decline of Western Civilization, which focused on an earlier Los Angeles scene, the punk of the late 70s and early 80s. [2] In We Got the Neutron Bomb, an oral history of the L.A. punk rock scene collected by Marc Spitz, Claude Bessy aka: Kickboy, claims that he came up with the title.[3]. She began a relationship with a man she met while filming the movie, signed up to be a foster parent, and eventually fostered five children.[1][2]. That was difficult, because Nadir was hungry to have one of those heavy metal record deals, but chasing deals by trying to prove how metal you are wasnt where I wanted to be at. It . I havent been drinkin since 1996. It was a terrible burden to have, to have everybody asking for all these years. The cut- and-paste editing, harsh lighting and seat-of-the-pants production that made the first film's technique a perfect reflection of its content have been replaced by MTV-era aesthetics. ', In the meantime, she busied herself with other projects including We Sold Our Souls for Rock n Roll, a 2001 documentary about Ozzfest and The Crooked E: The Unshredded Truth About Enron, a 2003 TV movie about the Enron scandal. In the years after making Decline of Western Civilization Part I, she directed two narrative films which covered some of the same territory she mined in Decline, Suburbia and The Boys Next Door. In the years that followed, she found plenty of mainstream studio success directing broad comedies, including Waynes World, The Little Rascals and The Beverly Hillbillies. But her favorite film remains the most tragic: Decline of Western Civilization Part III, a lesser-known portrait of homeless teenage punks trying to get by on the streets of Hollywood. Super nice guy. I remember a show in Ohio, we played for free and two people came. (Long sigh) I had the thumb on me, controlling me. Why Are So Many Young People Dying Suddenly? PopMatters is wholly independent, women-owned and operated. Screw the corps, right? RhetoricinPopularCulture-BarryS.Brummett.pdf. So I quit my job and bought a one-way ticket for a hundred and nine dollars from Chicago to LA-X. These books level their criticisms not only at the political left, but also at many of those ideas that go under the name of conservatism but are really only another form of political ideology. Hitting the streets in 1981, the original Decline of Western Civilization dove head first into the whirling mosh pit of the Los Angeles hardcore punk scene. Everybody always thinks its a rights issue as to why the films arent out there but it wasnt, Spheeris said. The expression in the title is widely known, but the book that made it famous is little read today. I just knew I had to make another film, about these people. I left London to do my own band, Ultra Pop, which was more Marc Bolan-influenced. In 1998, the last in the series, "The Decline Of Western Civilization Part III", hit select theaters but was never released in any home video format. The Decline DVD box set wont stop the countless black market VHS tapes floating around online, but for Spheeris, its a form of justice against her bootleggers. I wouldnt have changed it for nothin in the world. At first glance, it seems that remarkably little has changed over the course of a generation. The Decline of Western Civilization Part III (1996) - A film detailing the furious lives and tragic deaths of a group of gutter punks living in L.A. from 96'-97'. She knew we had something, so she interviewed us for the movie. While it does try to touch on topics like sexism in the scene treatment of women is across the board horrendous the effects of rampant drug and alcohol abuse, and the prospect of not being successful, those are relatively minor asides that barely touch on their struggles. Id never written my mom a letter. This was partly due to Spheeris refusing to relinquish the rights to the first two parts of the trilogy in order to enable the third to be released. Chris Holmes, the towering guitarist with W.A.S.P., was central to the films most memorable scene, in which he mugged, hammed, drank and swore his way through an interview while perched precariously on a lilo in a swimming pool, watched by his evidently bemused mother. And because it was not my band, I really enjoyed being able to kick back a bit and be more carefree. Like many of the bands featured in The Decline Of Western Civilization Part II, Odin were already legends in their own minds by the time the film crew arrived. If the subjects have changed, so has their documentarian. Well be doing that big Cathouse Live show at Irvine Meadows that Riki is puttin together. Guitarist Lizzie Grey (born Stephen Perry) was the bands linchpin, while Nadir DPriest, aka Nadir Munoz, was their frontman during the Decline period. The new generation of "gutter punks" -- stumbling through a haze of gut-rock alcohol -- have no interest in street poetry, and they don't want to change the world. Additionally we host events, provide commentary for traditional media shows, and give speeches to groups of all sizes. I now have two children, I still do twenty to thirty shows a year with Tuff, and I play with a band out of Germany called Shameless. Here she finds the struggle of street kids and young adults in West Hollywood trying to make it day by day, fighting. But the tables have turned. Weaver, a scholar at Vanderbilt in the early 20th century, gives an eloquent account of the corrosive materialist rationalism that eats away at the core beliefs of Western civilization. The first consideration is the western dominance on the economic, political, cultural and security situation of every other civilization and region. The Decline of Western Civilization Part III (1998). Directed by acclaimed documentary maker Penelope Spheeris and originally released in June 1988, it swiftly became a cult classic (and an undeniable influence on a later Spheeris movie, Waynes World). Close. By the time Penelope interviewed us for Decline we were one of the hottest bands on the Strip. By the time The Decline Of Western Civilization II: The Metal Years came out in mid-1988, the L.A. glam scene was under siege by grittier hard rock bands on the right and the thrash metal uprising . But Ive been doin it a long time. A punk named Stevie dies in a fire at a building where he's squatting; another, Squid, is killed, allegedly by his girlfriend, Spoon. I cant go on eBay and all those other sites because theyve got these shitty DVDs and things ripped off on there, she said. In the third installment of Penelope Spheeris' "Decline" series, being young in a leather jacket isn't what it used to be. Sure, the film gave London a huge push. "You can't equivocate on the stuation.". As well as Armored Saint I also have my own band, DC4. Sign up for ourDaily Digestemail newsletter to receive intellectually engaging content and updates from our organization straight to your inbox. Culture of Respect: Conservatives Need Not Apply? She was held in L.A. county for awhile but was acquitted for self defense as a domestic abuse survivor. The film premiered at the 1998 Sundance Film Festival where it won the Freedom of Expression Award. Eyeball is rad and so is Troll. But its Part II on which the series legend is built as well as that of the dying days of the Hollywood scene. Then, just as Newlydeads was starting to take off, we got offered a new record deal for Faster. I remember driving down Sunset Strip in my car, seeing all these strangely dressed people spilling out on to the sidewalk. But where are they now? So I came up with this idea for a website called Metal Sludge, where we would make fun of the eighties, a very affectionate piss-take. But for now, the filmmaker is still reveling in the films she has made and how well they hold up now. If you went out on the Strip on a Saturday night in those days to The Rainbow, The Roxy, Gazzaris, it was like a madhouse. At least temporarily, they can find happiness in a few beers, the noise of a punk rock show, and a collection of people gathered at the one apartment they have between them. The Decline of Western Civilization is a 1981 American documentary filmed through 1979 and 1980. Now I cant wash a dish, cant button my shirt. Now, when I see people in young bands I tell them not to trust each other. Visit our corporate site (opens in new tab). Weve done three albums and were doing another one at the end of the year. I was only twenty-two when the band broke up. The Decline of Western Civilization III is a 1998 documentary film, directed by Penelope Spheeris, that chronicles the gutter punk lifestyle of homeless teenagers. Ironically, its nearly the same thing she was told when she tried to get distribution for Decline of Western Civilization Part I: punk is dead. Factory. IBM had approached the Rolling Stones and said: Well give you guys two million dollars if you let us do the title [Voodoo Lounge CD-ROM]. Here are three that help explain what is happening with our culture. She was lookin for bands that were staples on the LA music scene, and Odin certainly was that. You want to know the truth? After I watched the movie for the first time I wondered what happened to all the kids who were interviewed for it, particularly Eugene, but didn't bother to do any research on the subject. Gone, too, is the unintentional hilarity of 1988's "Decline of Western Civilization, Part II: The Metal Years," in which Spheeris simply pointed her camera at the city's gaggle of ambitious big-hair bands and let them make fools of themselves. That was our shit. "Let me just say I think it's gonna be kind of jaw-dropping.". Chris Holmes: When Penelope asked me to be in the Decline movie, I went: Why dont you ask Blackie [Lawless, W.A.S.P. Six weeks later we opened up for Warrant at The Roxy. Growing up a punk rock kid in a small or at least smallish town, Penelope Spheeris ' 1981 documentary The Decline of Western Civilization, chronicling the early Los Angeles scene, served as a de . The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years (1988). "Decline, Part III" is neither funny nor euphoric. Also The Decline . The documentary earned Spheeris the opportunity to direct This is Spinal Tap, which she turned down because she didn't want to mock her beloved heavy metal.She chose to make Decline II: The . The movie is about the Los Angeles punk rock scene and was d. 2. Featuring a notorious moment with W.A.S.P. Four years ago I told my daughter Anna that I wanted her to come and work for me. Blooms tour de force recently celebrated its 25th anniversary. One of the security guards started trying to get his hands on me, but our manager happened to have a nice, compact nine-millimetre pistol, pulled it out and told this guy to back the the fuck off. Its like, youre stealing my identity. It was good to make a change. But three decades later, Duke TV has shot a sequel pool interview (conducted by Holmes's wife, Sarah) with the now-sober, 58-year-old musician. Lizzie Grey: London became like a launching pad for rock stars. Penelope Spheeris was a friend of friends, and we ended up shooting our section at The Cathouse. If we told you wed have to kill you, Spheeris joked. "It was pretty organic," she says. November 6, 2020. ", At a certain point, Spheeris started seeing "these guys with the torn-up jeans, bandanas and long hair with hairspray"; she and her friends would laugh at them, watching punks and metalheads brawl in parking lots. We did do an Odin reunion in 2003, played a Monsters Of Rock Cruise ship, and a bunch of other gigs, but I dont think wed do that again. It is, instead, the most passionately engaged and compellingly depressing film in the series. In The Metal Years, when Spheeris poses the question of Where will you be in five or ten years? to her eye liner-wearing, big hair-sporting wanna-be rock gods, the answer is, across the board, that they will be rich and famous rock stars. We got all our friends to come, and theyd bring their friends and it started to snowball. All Rights Reserved. The second Decline movie came about because I saw the punk scene dying, the clubs shutting down and a whole new scene growing. "But it's like, 'That's it, I'm never gonna be doing another box set in my whole life so I've got to get it right.'". Thats when I became enveloped by the idea of becoming a rock singer. 1. There were two follow ups: 1988s The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years and 1998s The Decline of Western Civilization Part III. Factory. At best, they think theyll be exactly where they are now: homeless, broke, spanging for money to buy beer, waiting to die. In Part III, the answer is almost universally, Dead. This new sleekness doesn't make "Decline, Part III" any less a gritty tour de force, however. They treated us really good, but Id been shoved into the industry for the first eight years of my adult life. I wasnt sure, at the end of Chriss interview, that I even had an interview but, you know, it wasnt me that gave him the vodka. Some days I cant get to rehearsals. There were certain things we had to manipulate. In 1981, the LAPD Chief of Police Daryl Gates wrote a letter demanding the film not be shown again in the city. The Decline of Western Civilization Part III: In the third of the Decline films, director Penelope Spheeris revisits the punk scene she illuminated in her first Decline film. We were just doing the same things and having the same attitude as everybody else did, but we just happened to get put in a movie. Getty / The Atlantic. 5. Blackie was always threatenin me to be thrown out or this or that, and on top of it the person was jealous of me bein me. I was more interested in spending time in the gym; more a jock than a rocker. A subscription makes a thoughtful gift for both family and friends. He traces it to the denial by William of Ockham in the late Middle Ages of the existence of transcendent ideas. I'd ask my daughter to come to work with me and she goes, 'OK, but the first thing we have to do is the Decline DVDs.' Ideas Have Consequences, by Richard Weaver. With punk all the girls had looked like boys, but with metal the boys all looked like girls. I dont know what I was thinkin. Spheeris: "Some people are put off by that, they don't get the joke, they don't get that it was totally tongue in cheek. 1. But it remained unreleased on DVD until it finally got a long-deserved reissue as part of a box set with its less boneheaded predecessor, The Decline Of Western Civilisation Part I (which dealt with LAs punk scene) and the belated third part, which addressed Americas homeless youth. We were pretty massive when we appeared in the Decline movie. Elektra kept us on the road. My hair started getting longer, I wore leather pants, bracelets, eyeliner and all that, but I liked a good nights sleep and drinking orange juice at breakfast. It is a lament on the impoverished state of modern thought and discourse that has disconnected itself from the Western tradition that sustained it until a generation or two ago. August 19, 2020. Featuring interviews with established bands like Poison, as well as acts like Odin, Lizzy Borden, Faster Pussycat, and others struggling to break through and find mainstream success, The Metal Years is a portrait of excess. As more and more funds were funneled into the military upkeep of the empire, technological advancement slowed and Rome's civil infrastructure fell into disrepair. The director, whose credits include Wayne's World and Black Sheep, has finally emerged from the depths of turning her celebrated three-part hardcore-punk and heavy-metal documentary series, The Decline of Western Civilization, into a comprehensive box set. The pinnacle for Tuff was getting on to the MTV Countdown. Subscribe to Paper; Sign Up for Emails; Where to Pick Us Up; Submit Stuff; Place a Classified or Legal Notice I said, I gotta make a movie about this punk scene. But it caused all kinds of problems. Louder is part of Future plc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. But between their notorious on-screen appearance in a hot tub and the films release, the band had broken up, with guitarist Jeff Duncan going on to join LA metal linchpins Armored Saint, of which hes still a member. Factory has a reputation for putting out comprehensive and well thought out packages, and this Decline of Western Civilization box set is no exception. Theres also a commentary track from Spheeris, as well as additional commentary from Foo Fighters and Nirvanas Dave Grohl. I know a lot of the rest of them have been dead for a long time. '", Spheeris says that she's working on a fourth Decline film with her daughter, Anna Fox. So just as we were beginning to make an impact, they came along and we had no chance. The black guy in the wheelchair is somewhere in Nola area. The Decline of Western Civilization Parts I + III plus Penelope Spheeris in Person! I want to go but my brain cant tell my body to move. People really remember the movie, especially Chris Holmes drinking the vodka in the pool, and the guy from Odin sitting in the hot tub saying that if he didnt get as big as Robert Plant he was gonna kill himself. But I noticed that Metal Edge was listing contact details for artists by email. Ive never rode a motorcycle or done one single line of cocaine. A lot of those guys are my friends, theyve either died or have moved on to something similar but better in life. "I had to grow my hair out." We were already oddballs, even within the scene, because I was so seventies-influenced. The movie got so much publicity that it couldnt have hurt anybodys careers. The couple spoon and squid they had got into an argument because dude was cutting another girls hair she got jealous and stabbed squid with the scissors. Maher said part of the problem of losing civilization is you fail to make judgments. Ancient Greece. Eyeball is rad and so is Troll. As much as you can see their affection for Spheeris, theres always a distance; she is always the other. We want to hear it. Stay up to date with in depth music reviews, exclusive interviews and widespread coverage of whats happening from your favourite music genre. The films (released in 1981, 1988, and 1998) take a look at a range of . In the first week we had twenty people look at it, and a year or two later were were getting twenty-five thousand a day. Then, in the early nineties, I got this job, via my friend Bruce Kirkland who had a multimedia company called Second Vision. I went online and googled "eugene decline of western civilization". We found all the complete original interviews, additional live performances, re-edited them, cleaned up the film, added commentaries And thats whats coming out.. The Decline of Western Civilization III is a 1998 documentary film that follows the gutter punk lifestyle of homeless teenagers. It is the third film of a trilogy by Spheeris depicting life in Los Angeles at various points in time. Fox, too, is working on a documentary inspired by painful family historySpheeris dad, a carnie, was murdered while protecting a black man in the Southbut the racially-charged subject matter might be more relevant than ever. If they can remember me at all then it would be for the Decline, she said. The first film, The Decline of Western Civilization (1981), dealt with the punk rock scene during 19801981. The Decline of Western Civilization Part III, coming after Spheeris foray into mainstream filmmaking, directing the likes of Waynes World, Black Sheep, and The Little Rascals, is easily the heaviest of the trio. But we need these kind of books now more than ever. Share this: Best of Chicago voting is live now. The first "Decline," which focused on the early L.A. punk scene, was made in 1979 before most of the punks in "Part III" were even born, and Spheeris uses interviews with some of the old . The first Decline had been made for about a hundred thousand dollars with money from a couple of guys who thought I was going to make a porn movie for them, but the second one I was able to get some money from Miles Copeland [manager of The Police, owner of IRS Records]. She did her films justice. Aside from a love of music and a desire to make a lot of money and bang as many groupies as possible, theres not much substance to the people of The Metal Years. I dont have the budget. So I agreed to do the interview. Doug Casey: Western Civilization has its origins in ancient Greece. Both are illegal. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Penelope was out on the Strip with her camera crew, and she walked up to us and started interviewing us and then got our contact information. I spent my own money on it and I couldnt get it released, you know, without a gun to my head to give up the rights to the other ones. "It's been a year of pure hell," filmmaker Penelope Spheeris says with a laugh. And then the grunge thing happened. The third film, The Decline of Western Civilization III (1998), chronicles the gutter punk lifestyle of homeless teenagers in the late 1990s. I found guys like Chris Holmes of W.A.S.P. "If a man were called to fix the period in the history of the world during which the condition of the human race was most happy and prosperous, he would . We interact with millions of Americans each week, publishing numerous articles each day and promoting them through vast social media and email networks. Civilization (from the Latin civis=citizen and civitas=city) is a term applied to any society which has developed a writing system, government, production of surplus food, division of labor, and urbanization.The term is difficult to define because not all 'civilizations' include every one of the above facets. Now on the homecoming stretch of this summers promotional tour, which included theatrical screenings across the country, Spheeris, 69, is mostly relievedshe no longer has to revisit long-forgotten footage of her goofy outfits with these funky hairdos she saidbut shes also deeply apologetic to her fans. Welcome to the streets, punk. Whether you have a nostalgic connection to the subjects, or just want to glimpse into a couple of under-examined subcultures, this is a set well worth adding to your collection. The mother-daughter duo are now working together on a fourth Decline film, which Spheeris said is still about punk, but also involves another kind of music. Key Scene 2: Darby Crash and girlfriend Michelle laugh about finding the dead body of a house painter. All we had was a bag of weed, two bottles of booze and our guitar players credit card. Recent films like What Happened, . Penelope Spheeris: My family background was chaotic, so when I saw the punk thing happening in clubs I felt very at home with it. The record companies dropped all of our shit; crazy hair and make-up kind of went away. The promoter said we didnt have to play, so we just hung out and played basketball. Her experiences on The Decline Of Western Civilization Part II would bear fruit when she went on to direct blockbuster comedy Waynes World. I remember hanging out with Penelope at the Cat Club in New York for the release party. This Article is related to: Toolkit and tagged DVDs, Penelope Spheeris, Shout! Shout! We already had this thread, lemme see if I can find it and give it to you. . 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