It has come to relevance since Russia accused Turkey of assisting ISIS, followed by Turkey shooting down a Russian Jet. Day 20. The divide between Turkey and Greece is too great and to much hatred for there to be any kind of permanent settlement of the Cyprus issue(and islands issues). “Our calm stance toward these aggressive transgressions from the East should not be misunderstood or underestimated,” he said, Kathimerini reported. Aegean Islands such as Skyros, Limnos, and Samothraki he said are technically unsinkable aircraft bases like carriers with anti-aircraft systems, anti-ship missiles, soldiers, and air squadrons.”. Does the PKK magically disappear, releasing all the forces in eastern Turkey for operations? They risk being entrapped in myriads of islands from where they will be bombarded from all sides,” he said. “Greece has a defensive posture in its armed forces. Russia has had had a lot of sanctions on them by the EU, and their economy is shrinking. For some idiotic reason, let us assume the war goes on. Is Turkish military stronger than Greek one? is this constantinos leandros 2nd account? On paper, it’s no match. Turkey has 465. “There are a lot problems with tactical doctrine and tactical employment in Turkish units,” he said, and the Turkish Armed Forces bought cheaper models for a lot of equipment, including tanks, that could limit their effectiveness. Missiles installed at the country’s west coast with range of 280 km could strike not only the Greek islands but also capital Athens. Is NATO, the US or Russia going to interfere at any point? Tensions between Greece and Turkey have recently reached a decade-long-high after Ankara began the exploration … Or do you think that could be achieved too? Ambassador to Qatar and former political advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Central Command, told The National Herald (he is a columnist for the paper) that Mitsotakis is correct in saying Greece would win. Is it an all out war or a limited conflict? Don't forget that the countries are NATO allies and a war wouldn't really be possible as a deal would be brokered between them in case of a dispute. War Between Greece and Turkey Is Now a Real Possibility. This means new ships, new planes, new artillery, etc etc... billions that we don't have but will have to find in the near future. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Greece has 39 attack helicopters. Turkey vs Greece: War would 'set whole region in flames' - terrifying warning ANY confrontation between Turkey and Greece in the eastern Mediterranean could … Greece 19-45 years of age for compulsory military service; during wartime the law allows for recruitment beginning January of the year of inductee's 18th birthday, thus including 17 year olds; 18 years of age for volunteers; conscript service obligation is 1 year for the Army and 9 months for the Air Force and Navy; women are eligible for voluntary military service. read more “Greece has a defensive posture in its armed forces. On the other hand Turks are forced to keep big percentages of the Turkish army in Kurdish areas of SE Turkey , also in borders with Iraq due to PKK issue , and also in borders with Syria ( or IN Syria ) due to the Syrian war which they are already deep involved. “The Aegean Theater is in theory a deadly trap for massive offensive Turkish moves. They would also give people more of a personal belonging to the nation and it's well being, you don't see that in a lot of Greeks these days. Cyprus is … ... a serious disadvantage in the heat of combat and the fog of war. But, said Theros, that's only if you “define winning as inflicting unacceptable casualties on Turkish forces and carrying the battle into Turkish territory. Turkey is a big power in southeastern Mediterranean with 70 m. people and a strong Army. “The only place where the Turks have done well is the employment of drones. Greeces military is smaller, but more modern. and Ikaria residents by setting fire to all the marijuana fields and everybody will mellow out and chill. Erdogan-loyal newspapers in Turkey have worked out war scenarios with what weapon they will attack Greece. “NATO and the EU cannot stand and witness the mutual destruction of two long-standing members. Although this scenario is unlikely, and is more likely to take place through a proxy war, should Russia invade Turkey, who would win? Maybe no one knows. Still though, it would be impossible I think to defend the less popular island like Kos. Casualties would be devastating for both sides. This isn’t 100 years ago and war is now more sophisticated, electronic and swifter, with Greece and Turkey adjoining countries, further eclipsing the problems of moving people and equipment. “In case the war drags on Turkey will increase its numerical strength and create major issues for Greek defense strategy,” which would have trouble reaching the Turkish capital Ankara with missiles. Could Greece win? Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων intensifies!Who's gonna be Emperor though? The winner will be decided by the great powers, mostly USA. Organised militias would be more useful than random armed civilians, and could also be utilised for other emergencies: Wildfires, Refugee Management etc. Then there's the daunting Greek Navy. Greece has 1,244 tanks. My understanding is the Turkish military is MUCH larger, however a lot of their equipment is WW2 Era stuff. How does the geography affect a possible conflict? It was a result of the Allied policy of imperialism operating in a foreign state, the military resources and powers of which were seriously under-estimated; it was provoked by the unwarranted invasion of a Greek army of occupation." Estimated casualties : Turkey, 120.000 - Greece, 76.000. I hate the idea of causes, and if I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country. Turkey has 610,000. Turkey vs France, United States, Soviet Union, Great Britain, Greece, Austria, Australia, China, and dozens of African countries that were colonized by the French and British. US Navy bombards Turkish and Greek positions to make both armies retreat. 11 It is different fighting for your land, your home, your family... compared to being the invader to a foreign land. Turkey says, no way. Well Nato very possibly wouldn't get involved and Russia may not get involved for fear of invoking a Nato response. “All the Greek Navy is geared against Turkey, whilst Turkey has to retain sizeable forces in the Black Sea and East Mediterranean sea theaters,” he said, with Turkish ships having to cross the Dardanelles Straits or Karpathos Straits which can be easily mined by Greek forces. Greece has 159,000 armed forces personnel. However there's no scenario where Greece would be involved in a war and not have allies, or where Turkey would invade Greece and not have multiple fronts to deal with simultaneously. No other countries get involved. They could probably take half of them over night. “Too many of the new senior officers owe their promotion to their religious and political as well as their professional skills,” he said, a serious disadvantage in the heat of combat and the fog of war. A FIREBRAND Turkish politician and ally of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned war with Greece is now "just a matter of time.". Actually we have a pretty good chance of defending what is ours. When Turkish jets regularly violate Greek airspace, Greek pilots engage them in mock dogfights, the Turkish skill level said to have been decimated when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan purged the military after a failed 2016 coup attempt against him. Turkish Armed Forces, 846.000. Despite the fact that Greece's armed forces, like all of society, took budget cuts during a near decade-long economic and austerity crisis the country is only now pulling out of – before the unknown effects of the coronavirus, it wouldn't be one-sided, with Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis telling Trump at the White House that Greece would win. I agree on your measures. NATO isn't a guarantee of peace. Am I talking rubbish? No doubt that Cyprus will one day be inflamed in war. At least till now, this is not the case. What is the outcome? They (Turkey) might have a superiority in numbers (after all, they are a larger country), but numbers alone cannot define a military outcome unless there is a great imbalance to the power game. I wouldn't call it though a victory. Turkey has 3,763. Greece also has a relatively strong army. Anyway, something is yours to keep, only if you can defend it. ATHENS – No one wants it and most doubt it could happen but what would happen after a Turkish or Greek fighter pilot or Naval captain got an itchy trigger finger or an accidental conflict broke out over the seas, the skies or Turkey sending thousands of refugees and migrants to the Greek border and pushing provocations? It will be though if we don't start investing in defence. He added “The forces of peace and fairness may not be loud but they are vigilant; they may not provoke but they know how to react.”, The historical archive of the National Herald, Greek Artist Created a Snow Sculpture of Poseidon in Astoria Park, Archdiocesan Cathedral Choir Presents First Ever Virtual Christmas Concert, Dr. Jane Goodall’s Message of Support to Animal Welfare Karpathos & Island’s Mayor. How would Cyprus fare during all that? Turkey has a much larger navy than Israel, but if it came to a full scale war (and in the absence of US intervention on Israel's behalf, or a nuclear exchange,) the outcome would be anyone's guess. Conflict Turkey and allies Opponents Results Turkish losses Military Civilian; War of Independence (1919–1923) Ankara Government Greece France Armenia … Do both countries have full availability of their assets? “Turkey is still mostly using the 2A4 tank, whilst other NATO armies are using the more modern version with better armored protection and optics, which explains in part why Turkish tanks are performing so badly against an inferior opponent,” he said. Mitsotakis said Turkey is also underestimating Greece's resolve and mistaking his softer approach, preferring diplomacy. He said Turkey's advantage lies in vast manpower and reserves but that would take time to mobilize and the edge would be lost in a quick war or if NATO or the United States intervened to stop it before the conflict became too damaging. Greece being a smaller country with a feeble economy cannot stand a prolonged war,” Ioannis Michaletos, an associate of the Institute for Defense & Security Analysis and the Mediterranean Center For Strategic Analysis and Intelligence in Athens told The National Herald. Greek Armed Forces (stage 3 of draft), 495.000. A war almost happened between Greece and Turkey in 1996! I'm not sure if they could take and hold many islands. It depends on the navy I guess. The Greeks recognize the threat and have devoted considerable resources to dealing with it,” he said. Greece—backed by the EU, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates—says the numerous islands it possesses in the area gives it sovereignty over the disputed waters. They will step in to minimize or stop the war,” he said. Greece has 11 submarines. He said the Turkish military still hasn't recovered from the Erdogan purge and that senior officers have been replaced with younger officers in an army “that does not encourage free-thinking,” based on what American officers who took part in exercises with Turkish forces said. Turkey only lost the war the Soviet Union an that was because all of the Turkish troops died of hypothermia or else the Russians were in deep trouble. On 1v1 we (Greece) would lose. Greece has only 12 million people but its far richer than Turkey (Turkish Gdp per ca pita = 15.000 us dollars and Greek = 32.000). Turkey has 13. Please let me know your opinions, in some detail if possible. Greece in 2019 renewed a military cooperation deal with the United States and the U.S. Navy has a base at Souda Bay on Crete but President Donald Trump is cozy with Erdogan, whom he calls a friend and a “hell of a leader.” Is it only Greece vs Turkey with no third countries playing a part at all? A 'hybrid' war like the one we are witnessing now with the use of immigration and propaganda is more likely to continue,” he said. It's a bit irrelevant to ignore any and all alliances and geopolitical setting when discussing this, because if things were different well...things would be different. Russia would mass produce planes and tanks. [Phœnix - Φοῖνιξ, we don't really know; could be from the Greek adjective φοινός "blood-red", or an Egyptian or Phoenician loan], I think Greece hasn't exactly hot any state-of-the-art equipment, but I'm not sure at all, I know very, very few things about military, If Greece is the aggressor then Turkey wins and if Turkey is the aggressor then Greece wins.However nobody really wins in modern war.If you ask about which country is militarily superior then it's turkey in land and air but naval wise the greek ships are better than their counterparts and better manned however turkey has more resources than greece to supply her armies. A very good point. It will spark a full blown war for sure. They are ahead of the Greeks – who used to be more advanced – in this weapon. Greece has 308 fighter jets and other planes, including 150 F-16’s according to Nation Master and Armed Forces.Eu. Russian Military is 3x bigger but Turkey can get its 500,000 troops to 10 million in a matter of weeks. Arnold J. Toynbee argues: "The war between Turkey and Greece which burst out at this time was a defensive war for safeguarding of the Turkish homelands in Anatolia. Turkey bought Russian-made S-400 missile defense systems – from an enemy of NATO – but he said those are not yet operational and that purchase kept Turkey from being able to buy US F-35 fighter jets that are far superior to the F-16s. Greece vs. Turkey Conflict: ... with Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis telling Trump at the White House that Greece would win. Yes Turkey have more firepower, but they couldn't deploy it as well. This could be decisive, but Turkey could quite easilly take and hold a few islands I think. Neither has an aircraft carrier but share the Aegean and East Mediterranean, with Turkey disputing Greek waters and making a deal with Libya to divide the seas between them, Turkey planning to drill for energy off Crete. It would be a long fierce and aggressive battle and a war with very heavy casualties for both. Greece gonna win it as having ALL its army focused on Turkey . If they attack any island I am pretty sure our mechanized units will move deep into eastern thrace. The will to fight differs. Turkey and Serbia. If Greece is the aggressor then Turkey wins and if Turkey is the aggressor then Greece wins.However nobody really wins in modern war.If you ask about which country is militarily superior then it's turkey in land and air but naval wise the greek ships are better than their counterparts and better manned however turkey has more resources than greece to supply her armies. Greece does not have the power projection capability to occupy significant pieces of Turkish territory.”. Let's say that Turkey tries to take the islands and this sparks into full blown war. I would hope Greece would win of course. (Photo by Eurokinissi/ Dimitris Papamitsos). Full mobilization. He announced the Greek Minister of Defense is ready to do anything to protect its sovereign rights, including military action against Ankara. Turkey would win air, land and sea battles. So what would happen if a conflict, accidental or otherwise, did break out? Same will happen to Cyprus also. Patrick Theros, former U.S. Everything else is irrelevant. There has never been any love lost between Turkey and Greece, but the danger of war … Turkey has 36. Obviously the government is terrified of organised and armed civilians though, because they could revolt more ea silly against the mainland government. No Αυτοκράτωρ Κυριάκος pls. But Russia would surrender and retreat. But Greek fighter pilots are skilled, ranked the best in the world – one won the Top Gun honors – by NATO, the defense alliance to which both countries belong and which has refused to intervene. FILE- Greek PM Kyriakos Mitsotakis meets with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in London. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, /r/KKE | 100 ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΚΟΜΜΟΥΝΙΣΤΙΚΟ ΚΟΜΜΑ ΕΛΛΑΔΟΣ. So the real war would be in Eastern Thrace, where they have a numerical advantage for sure. That's the basic rule that this world goes by. Who would win in a fair standoff between the two rival nations? “A conventional war is unlikely. Greece is a relatively small country with a population of 11.5 million, while turkey has over 70 million. I believe Turkey will win the war of attrition (at least on paper), both are evenly matched in quality in relation to equipment, in terms of training im not to sure. It can defend…its territory as long as the 'war' does not drag on for a long time. Come on man, don't be naive. But who would win a war between them. He said Erdogan, for all his bluster about coveting the return of Greek islands ceded in the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne that set borders, will likely stick with his strategy of opening the borders in hopes of trying to flood Greece with more refugees and migrants. One more thing that people disregard easily is the moral high ground and its effect on both sides.